是谁在与民主为敌

记录片英国2007

主演:约翰·皮尔格

导演:Christopher Martin  约翰·皮尔格  

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是谁在与民主为敌 剧照 NO.1是谁在与民主为敌 剧照 NO.2
更新时间:2023-08-31 17:11

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  这部纪录片是屡屡获奖的导演约翰·皮尔格的新作。[约翰·皮尔格成长於澳洲悉尼,目前定居英国伦敦。他是一位优秀的战地记者、作家与制片家,两度获颁英国新闻界最高荣誉“年度记者”。皮尔格足迹遍及世界各地,最受肯定的报导作品发自柬埔寨(收录于《别对我撒谎》一书)与越南。皮尔格曾荣膺“年度国际记者”与“联合国媒体和平奖”。他的纪录片得过法国“无国界记者”大奖、艾美奖,以及英国电影电视艺术学院颁发的“理查丁伯比奖”。皮尔格三十年来锲而不舍地揭露世事真相、奔走倡导人权,在2003年获颁“苏菲奖”。译者注]本片认为,美国非但没有像声称的那样要给全世界带来民主,反而正竭尽所能地想要扼杀它。  影片单独与美国政府官员进行对话,包括一些特工,他们首次在影片中披露上世纪80年代CIA是如何在拉丁美洲挑起战争的。Pilger认为,真正的大众的民主其实更有可能存在于拉丁美洲的穷乡僻壤间,那儿穷苦人民的民主运动经常被西方忽略了。

 长篇影评

 1 ) Mr. D can not be taught by other people

after watched the film, i intended to boycott coca-cola on my own, which is a symbol of american life-style and amerticanization. it is easy to refuse or contempt a single product, however, it is not so easy to resist the whole real world and your desire inside. finally, one will become a slave of freedom and demoncracy in american propaganda, even worse, lose his passion and idealism. it's not a good practice.

Science and Demoncracy, neither of them can be taught by other people. one is objectively difficult, the other is subject to their preferences.

 2 ) trivial,但是可以想到其他

民主是美国精神的基石,不民主类同违宪,乃会导致社会秩序的崩溃。但利益维护本质上就没有民主的因子,毋庸说国家或阶级之间,长短期利弊也无法以民主的角度考查政策优劣。所以美国的行径和其民主之教旨在根子上就有built-in的inconsistency。攻击这一点是trivial、毫无用处的,但可以指出的是它在达到手段的目的上都往往没有哪怕表面上符合其教旨,这就很让人对其文明感到失望了。暴力解决、矛盾表面化和激怒原本可以用一点甜头就平息的弱势群体、以及执行过程中缺乏对己方违宪行为的严格监管,这些做法都显得naive,二十世纪的美国还这么naive,也难怪中国了。

 3 ) 很意识形态,简直可作为我国官方的宣传片

也算做到极致了,其中的思想观点与我国官方的观点,就是初高中教科书上写的那些东西,非常类似。
美国人自己的评论是,这个制作人的特点就是用事实伪装观点,甚至用观点代替事实。
建议教育部可组织学生观看这部纪录片

 4 ) just to learn by what they said

The War On Democracy

Guatemala is going to enter a new era
In which there will be prosperity for the people,
together with liberty for the people.

The question is, why are we supporting El Salvador?
No, the question was, why are we killing priests in El Slvardo?
The answer is, we're not, now, you be quiet.
Prisident Christiani is trying to do a job for democracy
and the lelf-wing guerrillas must not take over El Salvador.

(George W Bush) America will not impose our own style of governement on the unwilling,
our goal instead is to help others to find their own voice,
attain their own freedom, and make their own way.

This film is about the struggle of people to free themelves,
from a morden form of slavery.
Richard Nixon, president of the United States,
once said of Latin America,"People don't give a shit about the place,"
He was wrong,
The grand design of the United States as a morden empire,
was drawn on the hopes of an entire continent
known contemptously as "the back yard"
The extraordinary witnesses in this film
describe a world not as American presidents like to see it,
as useful or expendable,
they describe the power of courage and humanity,
among people with next to noghing.
They reclaim noble words like democracy, freedom, liberation, justice,
and in doing so, they're definding the most basic human rights of all of us
in a war being waged against all of us.



THE WAR ON DEMOCRACY
A FILM BY JOHN PILGER


This is Caracas, capital of Venezuela
one of the richest countries in Latin America
thanks to huge deposits of oil
The rich in Venezuela live in leafy suburbs
with names like Country Club
Their spiritual homes are Miami and Washington

The majority live in what are known as barrios
on hillsides in breeze-block houses that defy gravity
In the past these people had been invisible-
excluded from their own soceity
Today they display the confidence of those
who know an extraordinary change has come to their lives

This is Hugo Chavez president of Venezuela the voice of the barrios
Chavez and his supporters have won ten elections in eight years
(cheering)
He's the symbol of an awakening of people powerdriven by great popular movenments that are unique to Latin America

The days of the old bosses and barons are over,That false, elite democracy is over in Venezuela,


It's no surprise that Chavez, with the help of an aggressive media coverage
has become a hate figure in the United States
because what he represents is another way
and a threat to Amecrican domination

(# Rock music)
……

(Speaking Spanish)
……

-Let me ask about you, personally,
I mean, travelling with you for the last couple of days,
I've seen a man who's clearly deeply committed
to what you want for the Venezuelan people,
Could you describe where that came from?
-I was born in a very poor home,a peasant home, so I experienced poverty,
I was a poor child, barefoot,
My father was a teacher at a rural school, and my mother too,
I had a beautiful grandmother, She was Indian, She filled me with love,
My grandmother taught me a lot,
and I learned from her about solidarity with other people,
about sharing the bread even when there's little to eat,
Later,I went into the army, the military academy, and I became a soldier,
And there I found out about Bolivar and started to realise what the truth was,

Simon Bolivar is venerated in Latin America
as the liberator from Spanish colonialism
Bolivar believed that freedom only came
when people united against all invaders no matter their disguise

Today the people of Latin America are again rising up
against an empire built on an extreme form of capitalism
know as the Washington Consensus
Whole countries have been privatized put up for sale
their natural wealth sold to foreign companies, for peanuts
In Venezuela they said "No more"

This is La Vega a barrio of a million people
Mariela Machadoo has lived here most of her life
She knows what it's like to be excluded in her own country

I can give you a very specific example on the maps,
All these hills and houses did not figure-they were shown as green spaces,
That was before Chavez's government,
Before Chavez, we did not feel a part of this society.

This is called a mission
It's a kind of parellel government
designed to bypass the old bureaucracy
and deliver real benefits to ordinary people
This is raw democracy- a triumph of the grass roots

Today they're discussing the dream of owning their own homes for the first time

We don't want the deeds just for their own sake,
More important the deeds themselves
is that we own the property in order to develop our cities,
and obtain the rights that have been denied us for so long,
This is the most important thing,
This is not a matter of getting the deeds and saying,"I'm sorted now, I can go,"
and stop coming to the parish assemblies,
because after the deeds, there are better things to come,
Like the development of our barrios.

Soon after Chavez was elected in 1999 Venezuelans voted on a constitutiong
and this little blue book has become a bestseller ever since


This is one of a chain of supermarkets set up in the barrios
funded by proceeds of oil
Here prices are kept low
and on the back of every rice and soap powder packet
are printed people's rights under the constitution

-Does it really mean somthing to you to see it there?
-Of course, because I didn't know we had rights like everyone else,
but this one, article 23,
tells us about national politics, and this makes us feel included.

Democracy, as I said recently, before our people,
as Lincoln said, has a simple definition- the difficulty is making it a reality,
We are making it a reality-
government of people, by the people and for the people,
A society where people are included and equal, where there is no exclusion,
there is no poverty, where human values reign.

For some of his supporters Chavez has not gone far enough
Familiar obstacles remain from the past
a stifling bureaucracy and widespread corruption
And although poverty has fallen dramatically in recent years, it's far from eradicated

-When you drive in from the airport and Caracas,
the one thing that shocks a first-visitor
are the barrios, the numbers of poor people,
Why is it, in Venezuela, which earns so many billions of dollars in oil money,
that there still is this poverty, in spite of all the changes you've made?
-The poor of Venezuela carry on being poor, yes,
I always say that we don't want to be rich, our aim is not material wealth,
It is to live with dignity, of course to come out of poverty,
and to come out of extreme poverty above all,
and to live, to live with dignity, this is the objective,
not to become millionaires, the Amecrican way of life, no that is stupid.
I'm teling you this because the issue of poverty affects us deeply,
It's most of our daliy struggle.

……
to be continued..

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 6 ) 不能因为理想难以达到而放弃理想!

还没有绝对的公平、绝对的自由呢,
  就因为没有绝对的公平,你就不去追求公平,别人欺负你你别去法院告啊?
  就因为没有绝对的自由,你就不去追求自由,你咋不自己去山西找个黑煤窑,然后给别人做奴隶帮别人干活儿,任劳任怨呢???
  追求公平、自由,是人的本性,但绝对意义的公平、自由,只存在于理想里面,现实中,我们只能尽可能的让我们生活的空间多一点公平、自由,谁敢说现在的世界不比1000年前的进步?
  谁敢说1000年后的人们不能够比现在更公平、更自由?
  民主,只是在追求公平、自由的过程中的一个实现手段,我们每个人并不能管理公共事务,只能交给政府去管理,当政府管理的时候,管理者是通过什么途径取得管理权的,这时候我们就涉及到民主了,正因为大范围的绝对意义的民主只存在于理想中(小范围完全可以实现民主,比如一个公司的几个股东在分红的时候,在商议后基本可以做到大家满意),所以通常民主在大范围的政治上是一种利益博弈的结果。我们不会因为公平从来不能完全实现而避而不提公平,不能因为自由不会绝对存在而不去追求自由,同样,我们也不能因为民主总是遇到种种挫折、黑幕、阴谋,而去否定民主本身!
  正如,某个和尚邪淫,你不能说佛法是坏的;某个基督徒做坏事,你就说基督教有问题!

 短评

自己的权利要自己去争取,不要等到强权者掠夺走后才开始悔恨。

4分钟前
  • 行走的鸡血
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民主不是完美的

7分钟前
  • 蜗牛
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没有太多新的东西。倒是能看到媒体与官方口径的合作是美国长期使用的策略。第一次知道委内瑞拉比中国要政治开明……

8分钟前
  • 老常
  • 还行

“民主”真是一个被用烂了的词,如果民主的“民”真的包括了贫穷的大多数的话,那么美国才是民主最大的敌人

9分钟前
  • Howe
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还好是英国人拍的 否则肯定有人上来就说全是瞎编的

14分钟前
  • 青青
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national security my axx

19分钟前
  • sabretooth
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凶手就是你,真相只有一个

21分钟前
  • tongzhou930
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看完这部电影,就别再跟我扯什么普世价值观了

26分钟前
  • alexmaoist
  • 还行

This piece of art shows spirit of another respectful and responsible journalist in our current time.

27分钟前
  • 辉夜姬
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看完这个片子 再回头看看中国 古巴 我们走过来真不容易

30分钟前
  • 蛮子
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民主即我主。呵呵后。

34分钟前
  • 怎会
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美国也并非一片圣地...

36分钟前
  • Kashing
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看得我感动啊,震撼啊!!媒体确实信不得

38分钟前
  • jan_wl
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3月28號john pilger要在墨爾本的marxist conference裏面作報告, 早已買好票. 非常期待! democracy belongs to the street, the barrios, the fields and the minds of people.

41分钟前
  • 亂室佳人
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日光之下,并无新事。

42分钟前
  • Rinn
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1 作为纪录片本身来说有点怂 2 每每听到这片中阿连德总统的最后一段录音 我都有点想哭的冲动 3 记得波拉尼奥的《荒野侦探》里那个委内瑞拉的老作家对两个年轻人说了什么么? “我是一个托派分子 蒂娜赫罗她也是” 然后贝拉诺和利马又去拿了一瓶新酒

46分钟前
  • INsomnia
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深思

48分钟前
  • Lo
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第一次看部记录片看到声泪俱下!仿佛置身于黑暗的中世纪~~

49分钟前
  • 桃喜
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同样一面倒的电影。既然不同意,不看得了,这显然是强盗逻辑。那么不妨这么看,既然同意,干嘛不在里面找支持的例证,既然不同意,何不在里面找反例?只是前提需要抛弃脑中固有的偏见,这很难,但并没有难到比铁杵磨成针的地步

53分钟前
  • 稔之
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里面有阿连德自杀前的广播讲话

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